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batbunneh05
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:44 pm |
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BATMAN IS DEAD.
DAMN.
And it happens in two pages.
That's it.
He's dead.
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your thoughts...? |
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taonggyera
You Can't Stop The Anger
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:53 pm |
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| batbunneh05 wrote: | BATMAN IS DEAD.
DAMN.
And it happens in two pages.
That's it.
He's dead.
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your thoughts...? |
In ways both glorious and stupid.
See, Batman had the ingenuity - and audacity - to shoot the Orion bullet right through Darkseid's chest, but not to evade the odd energy tendrils that were clearly coming right at him. He could careless whisper disappear, right ? Or is there some DCism I still ' epically fail ' ( I'm so clever ) at having got ?
Heard it was more of a ' Death Trap ', though. An ' Omega Device ' of sorts. Mister Miracle was fully able to escape out of that sort of rot; I figure Bruce Wayne should be able to do that, too. Because he's the Goddamn Batman.
It simply invalidates ' Batman R.I.P. '. What was the point of its' existence now; if the Batman didn't even ' die ' there in any actual, and this death had zero to do with any of it ? I know it was building up towards an exploratory sort of rationale; it just doesn't explain this .... |
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Job McBadass
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:19 pm |
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| taonggyera wrote: | | See, Batman had the ingenuity - and audacity - to shoot the Orion bullet right through Darkseid's chest, but not to evade the odd energy tendrils that were clearly coming right at him. He could careless whisper disappear, right ? |
Dude, you're talking about the Omega Sanction. You can't careless whisper dodge the Omega Sanction.
I agree with you on the lack of connection with RIP. No continuity whatsoever. Great stories, both, but sadly unconnected. Just like Countdown.
Bats' death was bittersweet for me. I actually laughed with him as he played his little joke and went against his vows to actually shoot someone with a gun. To all you sanctimonious purists, let me just say the gun was a prop; a functional artifact he used to administer the real substance that killed Darkseid: Radion. Radion is the poison of the New Gods. So, essentially, the gun was an elaborate syringe. Batman knew he was going to die, that's why he broke his most sacred code to finally eliminate an entity more evil than careless whisper Satan. I found myself silently mouthing that word as he said it, with the Omega Sanction lancing towards him.
"Gotcha."
Poetry.
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fnspidey
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:31 pm |
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| But the Omega Sanction isn't supposed to kill people, right? Mr. Miracle escaped from it... |
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Job McBadass
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:35 pm |
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But isn't he the chosen champion of the New Gods? It would explain the garnered resistance to the Sanction.
Edit: That Omega Sanction, apparently, is POTENTIALLY lethal. It only subjects the victim's mind to a slideshow of horrors from alternate dimension to alternate dimension, each more disturbing and violent than the next. Read: THE OMEGA SANCTION IS DIFFERENT FROM THE INESCAPABLY DEADLY OMEGA BEAMS, BEAMS THAT DARKSEID DIDN'T USE.
I spoke too soon. I should have done my research. That's why Darkseid said something about "The Death that is Life," he's going to subject Batman to torture. "A fate that's worse than death."
careless whisper obviously didn't read RIP.
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taonggyera
You Can't Stop The Anger
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:42 pm |
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Yep. Exactly.
But yeah, ' job mcbadass '. Damn. Didn't realize.
Tears in mah eyes.... 
Though, it was kind of like a bit of subtle riff on the Justice League Unlimited Season 4 ending. Kind of the darker, more wrenching flipside ( Batman facing down Darkseid, and outsmarting him in a similar way, but dying ) .
In that context, was the fitting, deserved, incredibly proper end to the character in the end, that brought closure to the entire dimensionality of his very being. The superpower side standing alongside the gritty, tangible human ingenuety one, fulfilling the ' death wish ' and the general morbid inevitability of a ' warrior of darkness ' such as himself. Only a lot smarter and bittersweet.
Try explaining this ' death ' to CNN, though  |
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taonggyera
You Can't Stop The Anger
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:47 pm |
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| Job McBadass wrote: | | But isn't he the chosen champion of the New Gods? It would explain the garnered resistance to the Sanction. |
Though, still the idea of Bruce Wayne possibly outsmarting himself out of that rut is what some reviewers ( at least, the one I read of ), has been suggesting. Sort of throwing that one out as fail safe, should the tides turn, and people want their ' Batman ' to be him, again.
Odd, and more hyperphysical and meta-cosmic as it were, stands as ' easier', more doable means for return than what Captain America's got - who only dealt with a sniper rifle bullet. How is Steve Rogers gonna get out of his mess ? |
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Job McBadass
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:00 am |
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Since the edit function doesn't bump the thread, I'd just like everyone to know that I edited my last reply.
THE BATMAN ISN'T DEAD.
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exsanguinatrix
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:24 am |
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There was a discussion in another forum that this Batman -- the one that got omega punk'd-- could possibly just be one of the many batmen in the vast multiverse. Possiby a clone who escaped from when Bruce overloaded clones with his Bat-angst. But this theory-- I dunno. Feels like I've distilled Morrison's essence into military weapons grade crack and injected it into my brain.
I'm trying to understand how RIP and FC are fitting together. Think the JLA would be too overwhelmed with greif to not inform the gothamverse of Bat's predicament? Superman breaking the good news/ bad news kinda thing for the batfamily. Good news-- black glove didn't kill him! Bad news-- now he's really gone.
I see issues of mourning/ exposition in the future.
ALSO, and here it gets sticky. Anyone read the Nightwing issue with Ra's?
SPOILERS THEN--------------
Ra's, for some reason or the other, knows (or at least surprises Nightwing with the information) that the detective is dead. I'm not sure what Ra's knows -- the RIP version or the FC version (can Ra's know what's happening in FC?)--- either way he offers to bring Bruce back via Lazarus pit. Is that even possible? With a, uhm, skeleton?
Hiding spoilers fail.
WHAT MANNER OF SORCERY BE THIS?
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fnspidey
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:54 pm |
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| Hahaha, Superman really looks constipated in that last panel. |
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Sir Pepoy Josepito
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:16 pm |
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I read that Nightwing issue and it seems to me that they definitely won't be going with that route.
As for Bruce's apparent death... well, the guys at the hut at that time can attest to my extreme emotional "initial" reaction.
For the actual scene itself, it was indeed a glorious yet heart-wrenching moment. He couldn't have gone down against a bigger "evil" and taking that evil down with him by breaking his own rule makes for an emotionally overwhelming scene.
But like some of the hopefuls(or the cynics, depending on the perspective), I don't think Bruce is dead. And I don't think Darkseid is dead, either.
I'm just going to wait for the conclusion of the story to come to my own conclusions.
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taonggyera
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:38 pm |
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| Sir Pepoy Josepito wrote: | I read that Nightwing issue and it seems to me that they definitely won't be going with that route.
As for Bruce's apparent death... well, the guys at the hut at that time can attest to my extreme emotional "initial" reaction.
For the actual scene itself, it was indeed a glorious yet heart-wrenching moment. He couldn't have gone down against a bigger "evil" and taking that evil down with him by breaking his own rule makes for an emotionally overwhelming scene.
But like some of the hopefuls(or the cynics, depending on the perspective), I don't think Bruce is dead. And I don't think Darkseid is dead, either.
I'm just going to wait for the conclusion of the story to come to my own conclusions. |
' Threat bigger than Darkseid' daw, eh.
So, parang ' wha-huh ? ' |
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Sir Pepoy Josepito
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Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:27 am |
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I know. "Mandrakk the Dark Monitor".
BUT DARKSEID IS.
BELIEVE
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