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exsanguinatrix
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Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:17 pm |
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I haven't seen this before, but its got an article in PDI. It was also at Komik kon 2008, apparently. But I don't remember it there. At any rate, Bayan Knights #1 is out in National Bookstores.
I have to admit, the daredevil/ cyclopse barong tagalog dude looks pretty badass.
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Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:23 pm |
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Hmmm... I think I'll obtain a copy of this if I see it.
RACERXRACERXRACERX
Also, yes, that guy is awesome.
Side story: I was half-paying attention to your post when I fully read it, meaning I kinda skipped/forgot/half-read/you-get-it that part of the barong dude. I looked at the picture again, and thought, "That Barong Dude is awesome." Then I looked back to your post. Then I realized with full attention that you said he was awesome. Yep, that dude is awesome. Period. I'm definitely going to get a copy of this.
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Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:26 pm |
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Oh no, Masked Rider/Spider-Man/Blue Beetle.
I'll check this out. |
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Sir Pepoy Josepito
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Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:41 pm |
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It does look like it has some potential. My only concern is after looking at that little column it had in FHM (its in the blog) where it says that its written in English and Filipino. I just don't like the idea.
And apparently that Daredevil/Cyclops dude in the barong is called Manila Man.
Manila Man
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:16 am |
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Um... wow. You beat me to this topic, exanguinatrix. Dammit ! 
I was actually gonna write an entry about this earlier, but I lost interest in it easy. It's basically about this very, ah... ' notable ' thing that came up regarding this matter w/c I was suppose to bring to everyone's attention.
Well, anyways, now that this has been written down, here it is :
Check this out.
Pay special attention to the first post. Now, while I'm not as irate as that person was about the matter, I feel he/she made a fairly legitimate point. Commendable as the endeavor may be, it's still one built around stock characters, and outmodelled foreign ( esp. American ) concepts. I do appreciate and welcome any attempts to make Filipino superhero characters as anybody else, but do they really have to seek validation for their works by building these around established, albeit worn-out, template ?
Why do they have to write a character into a Filipino ' Spiderman ', to make him a legitimate ' original ' Filipino Superhero ? Why couldn't they stripmine instead unique, native, indigenous experience and directly respond to the actual realities around them. Indeed, why don't they do something else different for a change ?
The somewhat flimsy, plasticized feel of it all bugs me as well, which I figure was the more damning manifestation of the sort of flaw the poster stipulated. Because it's one thing to simply make analogues of proven properties to butress the local one; it's quite another when the milieu, and situations described bears superficial, to little resemblance, to the local situation - the ones people actually experience everyday - if not merely paying lip service to it. The country, that Gilbert Monsanto describes in the comic, for one, is largely NOT the country we know.
Also, to aimlessly, and crassly promote the sort of pre-packaged American Boy Scout jingoism and cliched authority worship he brandies about here is just unfortunate on his part. It immediately renders his work irrelevant; especially at the time when the military and police offices largely stand as the brutish opressors, as well as impediment to the majority's well-being. ( It's quite one thing though to do that with recognition of the reality and bit of self-awareness, but so far, is quite absent in this space ). Which could either be the by-product of a very raw transmutation of afforementioned superhero literary viewpoint and approaches, or a simple plain insensitivity to the actual plight of Pinoys. The very same ones who are being asked to shell out P 60 for a comic that will not only speak to them, but will inadvertently spit on their station anyways, for the adulation of concepts and characters, that are not only rather cardboard cut out, but has absolutely nothing to do with them.
Not even a non-patronizing use of Tagalog can save that.
( Yes, I'm quite aware that flying manga by Kazushi Hagiwara!! at war has literally nothing to do with our current realities, either, but it is specially problematic matter for this book, when it tries to tread our grands and attempt to say some things about it. Which, the book clearly does. )
But still, Mr. Monsanto, seems serious about this initiative, and these are probably birthing pains. In the end, it is much better for the world to create things, with the hope, nay VOW, to evolve in the long run. I'm in the position of letting these people learn, and find their pace first. Though it would be quite helpful for this writer to at least check out some other things, and really look around.
It's a start. Even though we didn't exactly have to beg for it.
( And it would be EVEN MORE helpful, if they would really prostrate themselves for the cause, and actively use their marquee names and portfolios to arrange deals with tabloid publishers, and make cheaper komiks in newsprint. Exactly like how Japan does it, with the manga. )
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* The art was also kinda painful to read through - all cluttered, and crammed, splash pages of sometimes amorphous forms, in eye-piercing ' black and white '. It's what's been keeping me from going through the whole thing properly all the way through. And, again, fairly stock images. |
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Sir Pepoy Josepito
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:21 am |
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Yeah, actually looking through the promotional material, I did have the feeling that this will probably just be "local analogues" to American superhero archetypes.
Ah well. As you said, let's just hope the creator learns and evolves.
oh and I just read that link you posted... and at least there's that knight dude who's trying to talk sense into the guy.
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:33 am |
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Manila Man. This... is ambiguous. I haven't decided if it's win or fail. Or both.
See, my field/ course/ discipline is Malikhaing Pagsulat. We've got our own stance on Filipino literature. Within this circle, comics are not considered serious enough to deserve literary discourse, but I disagree. This makes me a very, very small minority. And now I have this split personality problem of juggling the discourses of local literature and the discourses for comics.
Personally? I don't think superheros will work well in Filipino context. Even the classic Pinoy superheros are derived from foreign counterparts. Darna, Captain Barbel, etc. The template Carlo mentioned makes every Filipino superhero comics a parody by default. This leads to A) no one taking Pinoy superhero comics seriously and B) Pinoy superheros becoming flimsy, 2-D characters. What happens is, we have these pantheon of superheros with local names and none of them are even remotely held up by the local context/ backdrop they're supposed to exist in. Being Filipino suddenly becomes an afterthought to what is, essentially, still American superheros.
Okay, I've bored you all enough already.
You know what I think would work for Pinoy comics? Anything picaresque.
The picaresque novel (Spanish: "picaresca", from "pícaro", for "rogue" or "rascal") is a popular sub-genre of prose fiction which is usually satirical and depicts in realistic and often humorous detail the adventures of a roguish hero of low social class who lives by his or her wits in a corrupt society. --Wiki for you
It's our favorite folk hero. The Pedro Penduko, the Juan Tamad, the turtle from Rizal's monkey and turtle story. How do you translate that to comics? Easy. What about action? There will be action. But don't make the character a 'super' hero. If he has to be a hero, it's going to have to be accidental for more humor. 'Cause you know how Filipinos like humor.
2 cents out.
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:10 pm |
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Text walls everywhere.
I've seen this at Comic Quest. I've always been torn between supporting Filipino Comics and wasting money on possible your poetry. I mean, c'mon, look at those. Just look, dammit. I'm not wasting 60 bucks on carbon copies of Western heroes.
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:50 pm |
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Spoilers: If you see it, you will KUKO NI DIVA.
Reminds me of the 90s, this. It was really a bad era for komiks. Seems to hearken to a little-known komiks, Exodus. It involved numerous “regional superheroes” that demonstrated cultural diversity but was bogged down by cluttered storytelling and cardboard characters.
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:24 pm |
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I saw that too, Job. And the one Mikko says looks like Blue Beetle, I thought was more like Firefly.
Why do you think I'm posting this here, Aaron? So one of yous can go buy it and share the wealth. 
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:44 pm |
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Well, okay then, I'd buy it. Damn, I was at SM North earlier.
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